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Lengthy-Time period Monetary Wellness for Your Household With Michael Stevens

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Katie: Hey, and welcome to the “Wellness Mama” podcast. I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com and wellnesse.com, my new private care line. That’s Wellnesse with an E on the tip. This episode deviates from the bodily elements of well being, however into one other space that can also be crucial, and that’s monetary wellness and long-term monetary wellbeing as a result of statistically, monetary struggles are a serious supply of stress for many people and likewise a serious supply of relationship stress for a lot of {couples}. I feel this final yr has made that much more acute for lots of people. And I assumed it was necessary to start out a dialog round this subject.

I’m right here with Michael Stevens who runs capitalwealth.com. And he’s been one in all my factors of contact for determining a few of these methods myself. And I needed to share them with you guys at the moment. We go into from very primary degree issues like financial savings versus investing and how much methods to arrange for this after which additionally into some much less well-known, however tax helpful methods that you need to use for your loved ones, even that children can usually use from a younger age that result in long-term wealth. He breaks down a few of his most used methods together with his shoppers and likewise provides some suggestions for constructing a robust basis for lifelong monetary well being along with your youngsters. Like I mentioned, undoubtedly a unique subject, however I feel an important one, particularly proper now. So, with out additional ado, let’s be part of Mike. Mike Stevens, welcome to the podcast.

Michael: Hey Katie, I’m excited to be right here, and thanks for having me.

Katie: I’m so excited to speak with you as a result of any of my longtime listeners know I cowl an entire lot of matters associated to well being and wellness. And after we have a look at the statistics, it looks as if funds are literally a serious supply of stress for lots of people. And I’ve talked about stress so much on right here as a result of it has a cascade impact into each space of our life. However I feel funds are an enormous supply of stress. And this previous yr has compounded that even for lots of people, and particularly for lots of households. And you’re the greatest skilled I do know within the space of economic wellness. And I assumed it might be actually related and necessary to, sort of, delve into this space, particularly from the main target of what we are able to do as households to organize and have higher monetary wellness in our each day lives. And in order that’s why I used to be so excited to convey you on. I do know it is a massive subject and there’s a number of completely different instructions we’re gonna go. However to start out us off broad, are you able to simply, sort of, give us an outline of the work that you simply do on the subject of monetary wellness and preparedness?

Michael: Yeah, completely. And thanks a lot for having me on as a visitor. Katie, I do know that a number of your listeners, such as you mentioned, are into the bodily elements of well being and wellness. However once more, like what you had been saying, the monetary facet of well being and wellness is so necessary. So, what we actually deal with at my agency, Capital Wealth Advisors, is giving folks peace of thoughts and readability with their funds. And I all the time inform those that we don’t work for Wall Road. We work for our shopper’s greatest curiosity. And that’s actually necessary. I’d say, at first, as an advisor, you need to be working with somebody who’s a fiduciary. And it’d be no completely different than going to a physician that doesn’t actually care about what’s happening in your life versus somebody that, you realize, they’re invested in ensuring that you simply succeed. So a number of what we find yourself doing is issues from a complete standpoint to offer folks monetary peace and wellness of their life in order that they will benefit from the issues with household and associates, and simply the targets that they wanna obtain of their life.

Katie: Yeah, that’s so necessary. What are a few of these issues that you simply begin to have a look at? As a result of I do know from my very own, sort of, journey over the past 15 years of being married and having youngsters, within the very starting, funds had been so tight that it was simply actually like month-to-month survival to pay payments. And it took a mindset shift for me as, like, we began to have the ability to develop issues somewhat bit to have the ability to be actually smart with these sources and determine easy methods to put them in locations that will result in progress and safety over time. So what are a few of these elements that you simply have a look at? Clearly, I’m certain individuals are beginning in a number of completely different locations. However what do you begin by ?

Michael: Completely. , our core specialty is working with people who find themselves nearing retirement or in retirement, however we assist folks from each stage of the sport. And, you realize, in some unspecified time in the future in my life, I used to be simply starting as nicely too similar to you and your husband. And the actually necessary factor for folks to understand is that it isn’t as daunting as what it appears. And now, with the web and issues like YouTube and nice books, there’s a number of actually good sources to make use of to have the ability to plan your monetary future. , there’s that outdated Chinese language proverb that claims, “The perfect time to plant a tree was 20 years in the past. After which the second-best time is now.” So, the explanation why I’m sharing that with the listeners right here is as a result of I simply wanna encourage folks, don’t wait as a result of when you begin small, and simply maintain going and construct off that momentum, at some point, you’re gonna look again and go, “Wow, I’m so glad that I began. I had no thought I’d make that massive of a distinction.”

Katie: Completely. And that’s one other nice corollary with well being as nicely is, you realize, like, any sort of coaching or getting wholesome, one of the best time to start out is a very very long time in the past. The second-best time is true now. And people issues construct over time slowly that generally you don’t even discover, till at some point it’s a very profound change. And also you talked about working extra with folks as they get near retirement. And I do know I’ve seen statistics that it looks as if because the generations have gone, individuals are getting ready much less and fewer, not even simply saving much less and fewer from a financial perspective, however getting ready much less and fewer for that. And it nearly looks as if what we used to consider as the concept of retirement has morphed as nicely. Like, we don’t see folks usually as usually working for a similar firm and having simply retirement advantages that absolutely present for them as they become older. Is that what you’re discovering as nicely?

Michael: Yeah, completely. And I feel a number of it has to do with the way in which our society is turning into. Beforehand, you realize, our grandparents, they weren’t into instantaneous gratification as a lot as we are actually with with the ability to scroll on Fb or Instagram and, sort of, get an endorphin hit, simply from what we’d like proper now. You possibly can watch, you realize, video on demand with Netflix., and so on. However the entire thing is, is that I’d inform folks that you simply don’t wanna commerce your monetary peace of thoughts for being an impulsive purchaser. And what I imply by that’s that you could be devoted and say, “Look, I’ve a purpose that I wanna retire.” And truthfully, Katie, the earlier that somebody will get began on this, the higher it’s gonna be. It actually has a compound impact. Similar to you mentioned, on well being and wellness, the identical factor goes for monetary. In the event you can say, “I’m gonna be devoted and I’m gonna put apart X quantity of {dollars} a month, or hey, I’m not gonna be an impulsive purchaser and exit and purchase one thing straight away simply because I need it,” you’re gonna discover that you simply’re gonna save much more cash.

And whereas it’s, you realize, all the time enjoyable to maintain up with the Joneses, there is a component of stress that comes together with that. And, you realize, I’ve seen folks which are a number of the most happiest folks of their life, they dwell a really modest life-style, they usually get pleasure from their time with their household and associates however they don’t have issues like debt hanging over them. And that’s actually worrying for lots of people. So, I’d simply counsel to anybody listening, when you haven’t already began, simply have a disciplined plan. And it doesn’t imply that you need to dwell on any, sort of, finances the place you’re consuming simply rice and beans, however do issues like pay your self first. I’m additionally an enormous proponent of charity as nicely. So, taking a few of your cash that you simply’re incomes and paying it ahead, I discover that helps you be extra glad in life whenever you’re blessing the lives of different folks as a result of actually, that’s what cash is. Cash is a software, and you need to use cash to enlarge your self. And when you’re an excellent individual, and also you give your time, and also you give cash, and also you’re disciplined, you’re gonna discover much more happiness in your life.

Katie: So what are a few of these particular issues that folks can begin to find out about and begin to prioritize after they get to the purpose of getting, hopefully, money owed paid off, issues like that? Is there, like, a triage that you simply work by with folks after they are available and determining the highest priorities and the place these sources could be greatest used?

Michael: Yeah, I’m actually glad that you simply requested that query as a result of there’s about three issues that we have a look at for folks. One is charges. Charges matter. And I hope that each one the listeners listening to it will all the time keep in mind this analogy. However charges are like working into the wind with a parachute on. It’s gonna actually sluggish you again. And if you consider it, when anybody goes right down to, you realize, like Las Vegas or one thing, you’ve got all these lovely casinos. Clearly, they’re constructed due to what folks have misplaced. Financially, these casinos are constructed up they usually’re actually fairly. The identical goes for Wall Road. , Wall Road have these lovely ivory towers. , whenever you stroll in, there’s, you realize, marble, and granite, and stuff in every single place. That’s due to charges. So, we attempt to encourage folks simply to know first, what are the charges that they’re paying of their monetary elements of their funding life? And when you don’t know what your charges are, then attain out to your advisor. And when you don’t have an advisor, begin doing somewhat little bit of analysis and determining what the charges are as a result of charges completely make a distinction.

The subsequent factor that I inform folks is taxes. And other people all the time have a look at me sideways once I discuss taxes. And right here’s the explanation why it’s so necessary to know about taxes whenever you’re speaking about investments. My dad taught me early in life, it’s not how a lot you make, it’s how a lot you retain that counts. So, proper now, imagine it or not, taxes are on sale. In the event you go all the way in which again to 1913, that’s when taxes started in the US. Taxes have gone actually, actually excessive earlier than. I’ll share with you a real story. Ronald Reagan, earlier than he was the president, he was an actor. Ronald Reagan would solely make about two motion pictures per yr. The explanation why he solely made two motion pictures per yr is he was contracted with the studios to make about $100,000 per film. So, on the time within the ’40s and ’50s within the State of California, when Ronald Reagan was making these motion pictures, he was in a 94% tax bracket on something that he would earn over $200,000. So for, you realize, widespread sense functions, he wouldn’t work something after these two motion pictures had been made and he would simply experience his horses on his ranch and pay his remaining taxes to the State of California.

So, once more, going again to that complete mindset of taxes being at an all-time low proper now, you realize, the highest tax bracket is 35%. And once more, whenever you return to what Ronald Reagan was paying when he was within the ’40s and ’50s on $200,000, which by the way in which, was some huge cash again then. However $200,000, 94% tax bracket, ouch. So, taxes are on sale. So, you realize, what’s actually necessary about this, and I do know that I’m in all probability throwing so much on the listeners , and hopefully, they’re taking notes, and going again and listening to this part once more as a result of that is sort of an necessary level, the federal deficit proper now, Katie, as we’re speaking in March, is $28 trillion. And to place that into perspective, when you return 1 trillion seconds in the past, that was 31,688 years in the past, 1 trillion seconds. The Nationwide deficit is $28 trillion and we’re good on the cusp of including one other $2 trillion stimulus package deal. Individuals should pay for that.

So, whenever you’re working and also you’re placing cash into tax-deferred accounts, like your 401(ok)s or 403(b)s, something the place you need to pay taxes later in life, you may take into account doing a Roth contribution. And that’s tax-free cash. So taxes are on sale. After which the final and I feel an important factor, and we’ll dive extra into this somewhat bit, however you could have a written earnings plan. And cash is a type of issues between {couples} that there’s disagreements. And I misplaced my dad at an early age, and bless my dad’s coronary heart, he was a implausible man, he took care of taxes, investments, insurance coverage, every little thing for my mother, and my two sisters, and myself. And after we misplaced my dad, tragically and unexpectedly when he was 49 years outdated, my mother had no clue the place to show. She didn’t know what to do. Now, had my mother had communicated with my dad they usually had a written plan of right here’s after we wanna retire, right here’s how a lot we have to save, and right here’s how a lot earnings we are able to take out of the retirement plan in order that if one in all us will get sick sooner or later or each of us that we’re gonna be okay.

, if I had been to be sitting on a aircraft proper now going to Hawaii, and the pilot comes on and he says, “ what? I’m excited, girls and gents, to fly you to Hawaii. It’s gentle winds and 87 levels. And this aircraft has a 42% chance of success of constructing it to Hawaii.” I’m not likely certain that I’d keep on that aircraft. So, going into your retirement years and never having an precise plan that’s stress-tested for the nice and unhealthy and figuring out that that plan is gonna work out, that will truly be a very unhealthy factor. You don’t wanna hope and a prayer plan. You need an precise written earnings plan. So, these are, sort of, the three issues to recap, is charges matter, taxes matter, and having an precise written earnings plan.

Katie: I’m glad you introduced that up about taxes. That had all the time been my hesitation with something that was tax-deferred of simply, like, if we have a look at historical past, are the chances that taxes are going to go up or down? And up appears extra seemingly. And I feel Roths are an excellent possibility. For anyone who’s not acquainted with that, are you able to stroll us by what a Roth is and the way they work? As a result of I do know that additionally some folks aren’t capable of arrange a Roth.

Michael: Yeah, thanks for asking that. So you actually have buckets that the IRS simply determines you on the way you’re gonna be taxed on one thing. And, sort of, the widespread buckets on the market, you’ve heard of an IRA and also you’ve heard of a 401(ok) and 403(b) probably, these are a tax-deferred bucket. And what meaning is that whenever you go and also you see your CPA, and your CPA, bless their coronary heart, says, “Hey, you wanna get monetary savings in taxes this yr. Go forward and put cash into this 401(ok) or IRA, this tax-deferred bucket, and it’s gonna prevent cash.” Properly, what lots of people don’t perceive, and it was myself included earlier than I received into the business, is that doesn’t imply that you simply’re not paying taxes on that cash. It simply implies that you’re deferring it to a later level sooner or later. And such as you mentioned, there’s a excessive chance of success that taxes are gonna go up sooner or later. In order that’s actually a short-term strategy, simply saying, “Hey, let’s commerce one thing for proper now that sooner or later is likely to be much more.”

So, lots of people don’t understand that there’s one thing referred to as a Roth IRA. And when you’re working, your employer might have what’s referred to as a Roth 401(ok). And what meaning is that you simply’re eligible to place cash into this account. And there are guidelines round it. I’ll go over that in a single second. However there’s an account that you could put cash into the place you’ve already paid the tax. After which as soon as the cash goes into this Roth account or Roth 401(ok), it can develop and develop and develop and by no means be taxed ever once more sooner or later. So why does that matter? Properly, once more, if we have a look at the nationwide deficit, a number of issues are gonna must occur for the deficit to return down. One, both the federal government’s gonna should spend much less. Yeah, proper. I doubt that’s gonna occur. Or two, what’s gonna occur is that they’re gonna attain into your tax-deferred account and say, “Hey, thanks a lot. We actually recognize you working arduous. We’re simply gonna enhance taxes and take extra of your retirement cash in your tax-deferred aspect.” However after you have it into the Roth account, there are completely no taxes that may ever be taken out.

So, once more, that’s why I mentioned, taxes are on sale. And if you wish to purchase one thing, and you could purchase one thing, and that merchandise is on sale, that in all probability is smart at an excellent level to really purchase it whereas they’re on sale. Katie, I do wanna point out, nearly generally folks aren’t conscious, even when they’re incomes an excessive amount of cash…Let me truly again that up for one second, how a Roth IRA will work. And this isn’t a Roth 401(ok) however a Roth IRA is when you’re youthful than age 50, you’re allowed to place $6,000 per individual, per yr right into a Roth IRA, that tax-free bucket. If you’re over the age of fifty, you’re allowed to do an additional $1,000 contribution catch-up. So that you and your partner might do $7,000 per individual per yr. Nonetheless, something that’s good for the IRS, they usually restrict us. So, there are guidelines and also you wanna undoubtedly discuss to a CPA or an accountant and just remember to’re eligible.

However when you’re incomes an excessive amount of cash, the IRS says, “Hey, sorry, you’re doing too nicely in life. We’re not gonna allow you to put your cash into tax-free.” There are some automobiles on the aspect that in case your listeners wanna attain out, we might discuss however there are tax-free alternate options. However going again to that Roth IRA, when you’re incomes an excessive amount of cash, and you may’t contribute to a Roth IRA, and also you do have a tax-deferred account, you is likely to be eligible to do what’s referred to as a Roth conversion. And that’s somewhat recognized factor that lots of people don’t understand is that when you say, “Hey, that’s me. I’ve put a number of my cash right into a tax-deferred account, and I really feel like taxes may go up, how do I maintain extra of what’s mine?” Properly, that you could possibly truly do some Roth conversions. And the draw back is, is you gotta pay some taxes to get it into the tax-free bucket. However, once more, like I discussed, taxes are on sale. So, each single individual has their very own magic tax quantity. You need to understand how a lot is acceptable so that you can convert.

Katie: Yeah, that’s…We had to try this as a result of we didn’t perceive all of this early on both. And so we ended up changing some issues right into a Roth. However I feel one other level right here that’s fascinating to speak about, I do know there’s gonna be complexities. And the reply is totally gonna be that folks must have private recommendation on this. However what we discovered in addition to there are methods to, as your youngsters become older, construction a few of these issues for them, particularly on the subject of a Roth. In the event you personal a enterprise, for example, or have sure kinds of work preparations, they will contribute to a Roth as nicely. I do know you realize this world higher. However are you able to, sort of, give us that overview for these of us who’ve older youngsters who’re beginning to work?

Michael: Completely. So, one of many guidelines to have in a Roth IRA is you need to have what’s referred to as earned earnings. And in case your partner works and also you don’t, and also you’re underneath the IRS high-risk threshold, then congratulations, you’re eligible to do a Roth IRA. Nonetheless, you realize, most of our youngsters who’re younger nonetheless that aren’t working a job, they’re not incomes, you realize, earned earnings, they wanna be capable of say…Excuse me, I ought to say that a number of our shoppers, they wanna train their youngsters concerning the energy of compound curiosity and saving for retirement. So, we use some completely different various automobiles to Roth IRA. Personally, I exploit what’s referred to as an overfunded index common life coverage. And I do know that I’m giving your viewers a number of, sort of, in-depth info that is likely to be somewhat bit arduous to digest. And that’s okay as a result of this monetary stuff could be sophisticated, nevertheless it may also be actually clear when you simply take your time.

Let me clarify to you why I exploit an overfunded index common life coverage. While you’re utilizing a life insurance coverage coverage, and I’ve to emphasise this, not all life insurance coverage insurance policies are the identical. Life insurance coverage, they’re a type of investments that it might truly be actually unhealthy so that you can do if it’s not correctly structured or the flip aspect of the coin, if one thing is correctly structured, it may be completely superior. So that you all the time should just remember to’re working with a fiduciary and somebody that basically understands easy methods to construction these correctly since you wouldn’t wanna do one thing after which discover out that it was the worst mistake potential to make.

However what can we do for our youngsters as a result of they’re younger, I’ve an 8-year-old, a 5-year-old, and a 2-year-old, they’re not working a job. In order that they don’t have earned earnings. And my spouse and I actually wanna give our youngsters a head begin in life and train them about monetary wellness. So we’re contributing month-to-month to this insurance coverage account for them. And it’s not an enormous sum of money and it doesn’t must be an enormous sum of money. However compounding curiosity makes an enormous distinction. And whenever you get youngsters happening this and beginning at an early age, that basically helps them perceive.

The entire thing concerning the life insurance coverage is that it’s tax-free, similar to the Roth IRA. And, you realize, for me, I earn an excessive amount of that I can’t contribute right into a Roth IRA. And as a enterprise proprietor, I perceive I wanna get as a lot of my taxes out of the way in which as potential whereas they’re on sale. So, I personally use for part of my funding technique, this index common life coverage, the place I’m getting that cash right into a tax-free account and it doesn’t have any, sort of, phase-outs or restrictions like a Roth IRA does. So the IRS says, “Okay. In the event you’re gonna do that, then we’ll assist you to do this.” However once more, it’s somewhat little bit of a posh state of affairs however perceive that even when you don’t have earned earnings, or when you’re a enterprise proprietor and also you’re incomes an excessive amount of cash, or just that you simply simply wanna get my right into a tax-free various to a Roth IRA, there are alternatives for you.

Katie: Received it. That is smart. And I do know it’s, like I mentioned, somewhat bit extra advanced, seek the advice of your personal accountant, however for us, like, proudly owning sure companies and the youngsters capable of work for us at completely different occasions in numerous methods, like, we’re very cautious to trace that. However for anyone who owns a enterprise, there are some methods you are able to do that. Simply be sure to observe the principles in case your youngsters…

Michael: Yeah, that’s the hot button is observe the principles, discuss to an accountant or a CPA, however there are issues on the market that you are able to do. And also you don’t must observe the lots. As a result of a number of occasions, simply going somewhat off the crushed path and understanding that there are higher choices, and that they’re not generally mentioned as a result of they’re not enormous moneymakers, that’s gonna be higher for you versus for the advisor.

Katie: Received it. After which for my understanding, since it is a retirement automobile, there’s penalties when you wanna take it out early however there’s additionally I imagine, like, some exceptions to that. And from my analysis as nicely, like, generally it’s value doing when you’re capable of make investments by a Roth as a result of the penalty can generally be lower than, like, long-term capital features, for example. So, like, I’ve sort of needed to weigh these issues. However are you able to give us an outline of that?

Michael: Certain. And are you referring on the Roth IRA or the life insurance coverage account?

Katie: Sorry, on the Roth IRA, after which I undoubtedly wanna go deeper on the life insurance coverage aspect.

Michael: Okay. Sounds good. So, on the Roth IRA, the IRS permits you to take cash out of your Roth IRA with out the tax and with out the penalty. Once more, discuss to a CPA and simply guarantee that it’s best for you. However there are issues like monetary hardship, or when you’re utilizing the cash to go to highschool, or for the primary time residence buy in your life, you could possibly truly take cash out of your Roth IRA sooner than 59-and-a-half and never incur any sort of IRS penalty for doing that.

Katie: Received it. Okay. So now, stroll us by somewhat bit extra element on…As a result of that is one thing else I’ve been exploring with you and one of many causes I needed to have you ever on right here is utilizing the life insurance coverage aspect, primarily as an funding automobile, as nicely and, sort of, simply a number of the pointers that associate with that.

Michael: Sounds good. So, there’s a very good guide by Tony Robbins, and it’s referred to as “MONEY Grasp the Sport.” And it’s an enormous guide, by the way in which, and a very pleasant learn too. And that’s the factor that I wanna simply, you realize, inform the listeners right here, don’t be intimidated by these things. Simply begin sluggish and begin studying. It’s like the rest. However Tony does a very good job about writing the place it’s very easy to know. Nevertheless it’s I feel on, like, web page 439, he begins speaking about this. And Tony Robbins begins the guide or a chapter on the life insurance coverage by saying, “I used to be launched to this idea by a few of my wealthiest associates.” Now, I feel that Tony Robbins might be a fairly rich man so when he says a few of his wealthiest associates, there are tax methods. And that’s the one factor that, you realize, once more, folks have to understand is that the rich aren’t doing loopy issues like offshore financial institution accounts or some secret accounts the place they’re hiding cash. They’re truly simply paying their taxes proper now as a result of whenever you return to realizing that taxes are on sale, you wanna get as a lot of your cash into tax-free automobiles because it is smart for you. That’s precisely what rich individuals are doing as nicely.

So, how the life insurance coverage idea works, and once more, I all the time wanna encourage folks to simply discuss to somebody who understands this idea very well. However when you do a correctly structured life insurance coverage coverage for a part of your retirement plan, it may be among the finest selections that you simply made. And right here’s why. One, whenever you put cash into the life insurance coverage coverage that I’m speaking about, the expansion is completely tax-free. And that’s an enormous deal. We’ve already mentioned that. However the draw back to having a Roth IRA and pulling cash out previous to 59-and-a-half, such as you had been speaking about, Katie, is that you simply’re gonna get a ten% early withdrawal penalty if it’s earlier than age 59-and-a-half. And that’s on the curiosity. Any cash that you simply put right into a Roth IRA, you’ll be able to all the time take that precept out straight away with none sort of penalty. It’s simply the curiosity that will incur a ten% penalty previous to 59-and-a-half.

However with life insurance coverage, there’s truly no early withdrawal penalty. The best way the insurance coverage corporations, sort of, get round this, is that they do what’s referred to as a mortgage. And that is why I used to be saying to the listeners that life insurance coverage could be tweaked one of the best curiosity for the shopper or one of the best curiosity for the insurance coverage agent doing the coverage. You all the time need it to be in your aspect however what a number of insurance coverage folks overlook to say, and I’m giving them the good thing about the doubt there, is that whenever you take cash out of a life insurance coverage account, they’re not all created equal. Some corporations have what’s referred to as a mortgage provision or a mortgage price, which implies that, yeah, you’re gonna get that cash out of the life insurance coverage completely tax-free similar to the Roth IRA, however when you don’t take it out with the fitting firm, then the improper firm can cost you anyplace from 3% to eight% per yr mortgage curiosity in your cash.

There are a number of actually good corporations which have low rates of interest, like 0.5% or 1%. And the insurance coverage firm that I personally use has a assured 0%. So what this implies is that as we’re placing cash in for my spouse, and myself, and my youngsters, and it’s rising over time, if we have to faucet into it for college or we wanna faucet into it for, you realize, some household occasion, or simply to make use of for our retirement in some unspecified time in the future down sooner or later that’s tax-free earnings, anytime that we wanna take cash out of that account, if we now have a 0% mortgage provision, what meaning is that we’re not gonna pay any cash in taxes and we’re not gonna pay any charges. The insurance coverage firm is principally simply loaning our a reimbursement to us at a assured 0%. And that makes an enormous deal.

One different factor too, Katie, that your listeners is likely to be concerned about with the life insurance coverage if it’s correctly structured, you don’t should disclose money worth life insurance coverage on FAFSA types. So anytime that your youngsters going by faculty they usually’re filling out a FAFSA type to have the ability to get a grant, that doesn’t, by legislation, should be disclosed. And the unlucky factor is that we don’t need our youngsters who’re working arduous at school to not be eligible to get these grants simply because mother and pa make, you realize, respectable cash of their life. Youngsters ought to be rewarded based mostly on the efforts that they’re placing in. So, I might go down rabbit gap after rabbit gap on this, however simply to maintain it at a high-level overview, I like doing the overfunded life insurance coverage insurance policies after they’re correctly structured as a result of I feel it’s, you realize, mixed with a Roth IRA, among the finest issues that you are able to do. And once more, that’s getting cash into tax-free accounts.

Katie: That is smart. Yeah, it looks as if with something, once more, the corollary with well being is the sooner you begin, the higher, definitely on these items. And such as you talked about about doing this on your youngsters, even after they’re younger, and it being a lot cheaper when they’re younger, after which it may construct for his or her complete life. So it’s such a bonus for them. And I feel that brings a very necessary level as nicely that’s actually gonna resonate with lots of people listening. And that’s, like, on the subject of all of this, for many people studying this as adults and being cognizant of wanting to have the ability to cross on not simply, like, funds, when it comes to cash and an excellent future to our youngsters, however the expertise and methods to have long-term monetary wellness themselves after they go away residence.

And I do know it is a actually necessary space for you as nicely and that you simply and your spouse are very intentional in the way you educate your youngsters about this and the conversations you’ve got surrounding cash. I feel that is additionally in all probability a troublesome level to speak about for lots of households or possibly dad and mom don’t actually know easy methods to, sort of, begin these conversations, or easy methods to begin instructing these expertise to our youngsters. And I do know it’s actually necessary to you. So, what are a number of the suggestions you’d give to folks as they’re studying this themselves to assist their youngsters be taught and have that robust, stable monetary basis as nicely?

Michael: Sounds good. So, go and get your child an ice cream cone after which take an enormous chew out of it earlier than you hand it to them and say that’s taxes, and watch the response on their face. I’m simply kidding. Don’t do this. However the entire thing about being a guardian, you realize, and lately, it’s so arduous to speak to our youngsters about sure issues, cash being one in all them. However you realize what? At school, they don’t discuss to folks about this. I sit on the board of administrators for Junior Achievement of Utah. That’s the place we’re positioned. And Junior Achievement is superior as a result of it principally goes into these colleges and it teaches youngsters nearly cash and teaches them about, you realize, they will work arduous and turn into something they need in life. Youngsters don’t have alternative at school on a regular basis, like what Junior Achievement is making an attempt to convey consciousness to. So it’s our job is the dad and mom to show.

Now, right here’s the deal. I don’t should be a world-class, you realize, bicycle owner to have the ability to bounce on a motorcycle and attempt to train my youngsters. So, if funds appear formidable to you, then be taught somewhat bit your self after which train your youngsters. And children are fairly…you realize, they take up this, sort of, stuff. And I feel they’re gonna watch, you realize, when you say, “Hey, the explanation why we’re placing cash into this household trip jar is as a result of we wanna get monetary savings or, you realize, if in case you have a job the place you’re mowing lawns otherwise you’re shoveling snow, encourage them, say, “Look, if we truly take somewhat little bit of this cash and put it apart and put it into an account the place it’s gonna develop or simply the truth that you’re saving, it’s going to be so a lot better for you.”

So, I suppose my recommendation could be, you realize, you don’t should be a professional to show somebody and even simply have that dialog. Make it a household occasion the place you’re studying about this, sort of, stuff collectively. Possibly simply, you realize, honesty isn’t all the time one of the best coverage. So when you’re that individual the place you don’t know a lot about funds, have a household assembly and say, “Hey, guys, you realize what? I wanna do a brand new factor in the home. I wanna find out about this collectively. And let’s do some little bit of studying.” And clearly, for the youngsters, maintain it at an easier-to-understand degree. However make it a enjoyable factor and present them nearly how as they’re saving and saving or, you realize, doing chores and placing that cash in, it’s gonna develop over time.

Katie: Yeah, precisely. And that’s…I do know you and I’ve talked about this somewhat bit offline as nicely. However you’re proper, faculty shouldn’t be instructing a number of these foundational expertise. And a number of listeners have heard me say on right here, you realize, colleges not essentially instructing a number of foundational life expertise. These are issues that we as dad and mom nonetheless should be very conscious and cognizant of. And people conversations can occur…Youngsters can perceive a lot from such a younger age. And simply in our household with our bent in the direction of entrepreneurship, we sort of work every little thing by that sort of a mindset. However I feel no matter your investing technique is, no matter these items that you simply’re gonna do, it’s an excellent alternative to show your youngsters as you go. Such as you mentioned, you don’t should be excellent at it to have the ability to begin instructing them, however even simply to offer them that mindset early on in life about consciousness about saving and investing, and never simply spending cash and utilizing their cash to create extra wealth long-term, having that at a younger age is such a bonus.

Michael: And I feel that, you realize, lots of people will say, “Properly, I don’t, you realize, need my child to deal with cash.” And I’d agree with that. However once more, I made a remark, you realize, in the direction of the start of our present right here is that cash is a software, and you may actually do good issues and assist folks with it. And when you train your youngsters that, you say, “Look, I’m not making an attempt to become profitable as a result of I wanna be the wealthiest individual on the earth. I need to use cash to have the ability to bless the lives of different folks.” And I had talked about about doing, like, charitable issues. The happiest folks in life are the folks which are capable of give away and provides their time or, you realize, monetary sources to lifting different folks. There’s an outdated saying, “A rising tide lifts all boats.” And I completely imagine that.

So, as we’re speaking to our youngsters, and even for us, proper, as we’re on this quest to earn extra money in life, ask your self, “Why can we need to earn extra money?” There all the time must be a why. And the why ought to be, “Hey, I wanna have monetary peace and safety. I don’t wanna be wired in my life. I don’t wanna fear about easy methods to, you realize, make ends meet as a result of I went out and acquired a ship or a aspect by aspect and it was a frivolous buy that I can’t afford.” Study your self the why and likewise train your youngsters the why. And, you realize, going again to that factor, when you’re not a pleasant individual, cash is a magnifier. It’s gonna enlarge you to a good not nicer individual. And that’s simply gonna trigger emotional turmoil and stress in your life. However when you can view cash as a software and also you view it as I may help folks, I can bless the lives of different folks, I really feel like accumulating wealth will probably be a lot extra aligned from a bodily, and emotional, non secular standpoint than simply attempt to turn into the wealthiest individual there’s.

Katie: I fully agree and echo that. After which not solely are we not requiring sources from society to care for ourselves but additionally, like, you mentioned, we now have the power to assist others, which is definitely, a very enjoyable motivator for me, as nicely. And I feel you’ve made such an excellent level is that the sooner you put together for this, the extra compounding it occurs and also you get to do extra of that all through your complete life. And I’m additionally curious as a result of I’ve been working with you on this. So full disclosure, you’re serving to advise me on a number of these areas, as I be taught. And for anyone listening, who possibly these are new matters to you, they usually wanna actually begin getting concerned, what does an optimum situation appear to be? If somebody does have some earnings to place into a few of these completely different automobiles, I’m curious, like, what would you say is simply…? I’m certain there’s, in fact, variation from household to household, however what could be some good overarching locations to start out? And likewise, when you’re prepared to share, what do you do personally?

Michael: Oh, yeah, I’m all the time prepared to share. Transparency, I feel, is absolutely key with all of the shoppers that we work with. So, once more, simply, you realize, as a enterprise proprietor, like your self, a number of my enterprise, I put…excuse me, my progress that occurs financially in my life, I reinvest again into our firm. , right here’s somewhat…Okay. And all of your listeners, Katie, they’ve to vow, I’m gonna share a secret proper now, they will’t exit and ever repeat that I mentioned this. However right here it goes. I can’t management the inventory market and neither can another advisor that I do know. I really feel so a lot better by saying that. And no, I’m simply joking. However the motive why I’m saying that’s as a result of, in all actuality, we are able to’t management the market. So, my recommendation for the listeners is, hey, as you’re rising and placing your cash someplace, take into account taking a hybrid strategy, placing a few of your cash into secure automobiles the place it’s going to continue to grow and even when issues just like the inventory market goes down, you received’t lose cash. After which for a portion of your cash, it’s okay to have somewhat little bit of an up and down and have somewhat little bit of a curler coaster.

However the place lots of people get freaked out concerning the inventory market is that they go, “All proper, nicely, I don’t wanna put my cash in right here to observe one thing like 2008 occur once more the place I lose, you realize, 40% of my retirement, like, at a very quick timeframe.” Really, when you return to this previous March, the inventory market had one of many quickest drops in U.S. inventory historical past. It was down nearly 30%, like, actually inside a matter of weeks. And that was loopy as a result of when you return to the early 1900s, it had not fallen that quick. When issues like that occur and when there’s a lot volatility, it scares folks. And, you realize, this is without doubt one of the triggers why folks don’t get into saving for retirement or investing as a result of they get paralysis evaluation. And that’s, “Hey, if I put my cash into one thing, what if I lose?” Properly, take a balanced strategy. Similar to something that you simply do in life, you wanna be balanced. Put some cash in a secure account. Put some cash in an account that’s gonna go up and down.

And, you realize, for me, a number of our retirement nest egg is in that tax-free automobile that I used to be speaking to you about, the Roth IRA. We have now a Roth 401(ok) at my work that I contribute to as nicely. And I additionally put a number of my very own private cash into the overfunded common life insurance policies. But in addition, once I put cash into my enterprise, that’s me investing in myself. And in some unspecified time in the future, you realize, down the highway, my enterprise will probably be value one thing that I can promote. In order that’s the way in which I have a look at my, you realize, portion of my retirement nest egg. However, you realize, I lose cash in my enterprise, and I name it R&D {dollars}. And what I imply by that’s not as a result of we made poor enterprise selections, however R&D {dollars} for me is, “Hey, let’s attempt promoting right here,” or, “Hey, let’s attempt, you realize, this monetary piece of software program.” And generally you discover out, oh, shoot, that software program wasn’t pretty much as good as what we thought or, hey, you realize, we had been promoting right here, and it wasn’t actually a great spot. I imply, we go right into a calculated and we do one of the best we are able to, however the entire level is, is you’ll be able to’t management every little thing.

So, what I’m making an attempt to say for the listeners is have the power to place some cash into one thing that received’t go down after which put some cash into issues that may go up and down, and be okay with the down, and simply know that that’s a part of life. And that when you’re doing issues constantly, you’re gonna determine what works. Now, one different factor too, Katie, that goes with out saying nevertheless it’s actually necessary shouldn’t be all advisors are created equal. And that may be a actually, actually necessary level. And what I imply by that’s that your advisor must be a fiduciary and that may be a license. An individual can’t simply say, “I’m gonna be a fiduciary.” And what a fiduciary is, is somebody that morally, legally, and ethically has your greatest pursuits at coronary heart. Our agency is a registered funding advisory agency and we’re fiduciaries. And what meaning is that after we give recommendation to our shoppers, it’s in our shopper’s greatest curiosity, not as a result of I wanna exit and make a purchase order, so I like to recommend one thing to a shopper so I receives a commission a big fee. We don’t do this.

And when your advisor is a fiduciary, then in the event that they’re not providing you with good recommendation, then there’s some critical repercussions that may include that. There may very well be fines, there may very well be lack of license, or there may very well be jail time. And the unhappy factor is that everybody that’s on this business that’s coping with somebody’s life financial savings ought to be a fiduciary. And there’s no legislation presently that claims that. So, do some little bit of homework. And when you’re, you realize, working with an advisor, ask them, “Are you a fiduciary?” And in the event that they’re not, I’d strongly encourage you to work with somebody that’s a fiduciary. So, hopefully, that helps out. I take a balanced strategy to my life and I understand it’s okay to have some issues go up and down, to spend money on myself, spend money on our firm, to attempt some new issues. However, you realize, the flip aspect of the coin is, “Hey, I don’t wanna put every little thing in danger.” Once we had been all little youngsters, our mama taught us don’t put all of your eggs in a single basket. You wanna diversify. And that’s precisely what you must do.

Katie: Yeah, that’s nice recommendation. And I do know you’ve got some sources in your web site for folks to start out studying extra about these. And I’ll put these hyperlinks within the present notes at wellnessmama.fm for any of you guys listening.

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You talked about Tony Robbin’s guide “MONEY Grasp the Sport,” which I agree is phenomenal. Are there another sources you’d suggest to folks to continue learning about this?

Michael: , that’s a tough factor as a result of the web is stuffed with opinions. I feel it’s simply discovering somebody that you simply belief and that may perceive your state of affairs and be capable of give good recommendation. And that’s the entire thing about my job is that, you realize, we convey folks on, like I mentioned, which are nearing retirement or presently in retirement. However there are those that we work with that say, “Mike, I’ve no clue the place to start.” And what we actually, sort of, geek out on and take satisfaction on is saying, “All proper, let’s create this plan for you and present you the way when you’re doing XYZ the way it could make an enormous distinction.” As a result of for lots of people, even these which are nearing or proper about to cross the end line for retirement, lots of people don’t understand, “Hey, I’ve received the monetary sport.”

And it’s, sort of, like going round a working monitor the place you’re working and working and working, and also you’re like, “The place’s the end line?” And when you’ve got a plan and somebody, sort of, takes every little thing that you simply’ve executed, and brings all of it collectively, and also you’re saying, “Hey you realize what? You possibly can truly retire.” Boy, the peace of thoughts that folks have, you realize, we get those that cry in our workplace as a result of they really feel so good or they’ll name in or write again and say, “I had one of the best sleep of my life.” And what I’m telling any listeners is that, you realize, that is likely to be a great distance out for you. That ought to be your purpose. That ought to be one thing that you simply work in the direction of.

So, I actually like “MONEY Grasp the Sport” from a monetary standpoint. However I need to share with the listeners a guide that’s actually impacted my life for a very optimistic approach. And that’s a guide by an writer named Clayton Christensen. And the guide known as “How Will You Measure Your Life?” And the explanation why I like this guide is as a result of, first off, Clayton Christensen, he was a Harvard professor. And what he did, right here’s sort of, like, the backdrop, he would problem his graduating college students with three easy questions to look at, measure, and enhance all elements of their life.

Query primary that he would ask them is, you realize, for them to ask themselves, “How can I make certain that I’ll achieve success and glad in my profession or life?” Quantity two, “How can I make certain that my relationships with my partner, my kids, and my prolonged household, shut associates, and so on. can turn into a permanent supply of happiness of their life?” And the third factor, he says, “How can I make certain that I dwell a lifetime of integrity and keep out of jail?” Now, which may shock somebody once I say keep out of jail. He’s not referring to, like, you make a alternative, you’re going to jail. However what he’s referring to is, hey, we now have these, you realize, jails, emotionally, bodily, and mentally. , when you don’t train and eat poor meals, you’re principally placing your physique in jail or when you’re getting over into debt that’s pointless, you’re placing your self into this emotional jail. So he’s saying how do you keep out of jail from a complete standpoint? And on a aspect word, I feel there’s a man whose title was Jeff Skilling, he was with Enron, and I feel all you guys know that title. He was additionally in Clayton Christensen’s class at Harvard.

So, “How Will You Measure Your Life?” This guide has actually impacted me for a number of causes. One, clearly, discovering happiness in your life is one thing that everybody is trying ahead to. , he talks about it in his guide. And that’s, sort of, the place I’ve been expounding on that concept is that cash shouldn’t be the foundation reason for unhappiness, nevertheless it turns into an issue when it supersedes every little thing else. So, with that being mentioned, one of many issues that’s essentially the most impacting second of my lifetime of studying this guide is when he talks about household. And, you realize, Katie, this goes into what we had been speaking a couple of second in the past, nearly instructing our youngsters. Clayton Christensen, he actually emphasizes that our function as dad and mom is to organize our youngsters for the long run. And actually, that the tragedy of at the moment’s tradition is that we’re outsourcing parenting to different folks, like family, or nannies, and even the colleges or extracurricular actions.

And we’ve actually overpassed the significance of our time, which is absolutely the best reward that we may give one other individual. Investing our time in one other actually is an indication of respect and love. And it gives this clear sign to others to what’s most necessary in your life. And, you realize, once more, simply going again to that complete factor about staying out of jail is we wanna be capable of steadiness our life. And we wanna be capable of select the fitting selections as a result of it has a compounding impact similar to cash does, proper. Once we do one thing simply this one time as a result of the marginal price seems to be negligible, we get suckered in, after which we get thus far in our life, and we’re like, “Gosh, how did I get up to now into debt?” Or, “Oh, my gosh, how come I’m so out of form?” Or, “Geez, you realize, there’s all these elements, proper, to creating good selections.” So, that may be a guide that I’d extremely encourage to any listener that wishes to enhance relationships or enhance themselves from a holistic standpoint. “How Will You Measure Your Life?” by Clayton Christensen.

Katie: That’s a brand new one. I like the advice. I’ll add that to the present notes as nicely so that you guys can discover it. And I feel that recommendation is so necessary too, and ties into the retirement dialog as a result of I hear so usually folks suppose that like, “Oh, I’m gonna do these items once I retire.” They usually’re spending all of their time doing different issues now. And I feel this final yr particularly has given some folks much more time freedom, or a minimum of location freedom on the subject of work as a result of issues have shifted a lot. However both approach, I feel recognizing early on, I say this, on the finish of each podcast, truly, that point is our most respected asset. And recognizing that early and treating it as such, we don’t have to attend for retirement to dwell elements of the life we wanna dwell.

And in reality, I feel we’re happier, and more healthy, and contribute higher to different folks into society after we’re capable of work these issues in no matter approach we are able to now. It’s one thing I’ve encouraging my youngsters by entrepreneurship as nicely is like, definitely, there are occasions after we’re gonna simply instantly commerce our time for cash however that point can also be a facet of freedom. So to no matter diploma that you could actually shield your time and who you spend it with, that’s actually a very invaluable asset. And cash could be made extra however time can’t.

Michael: That’s proper. And once more, I really feel like an important issues in our life are the issues that, you realize, can’t be measured, like the scale of a checking account. It’s the power to like, to chuckle, to cry, to forgive, to have household relationships, and simply to essentially embrace the nice that you’ve in your life. As a result of, you realize, Katie, the world is a fairly risky place proper now, from a political standpoint or simply what’s happening with even the inventory market. There’s a number of uncertainty and it may create nervousness, however there’s a number of good. And I actually really feel like if we deal with the nice and we take time to have gratitude and replicate on the issues that’s necessary to us in our life, we’ll discover happiness.

Now, I’m gonna share with you one final thing that my dad shared with me that stood out to me. As my dad all the time mentioned, “Mike, you’re by no means gonna wanna look again in your life and say, ‘Gosh, I ought to have spent extra time on the workplace, or, ‘Geez, I want I’d have made extra money.’” On the finish of the day when all of us are out of time, we’re gonna look again on our life and we’re gonna say, “Was I capable of steadiness it? Was I capable of make the world a greater place? Was I capable of take this future era of youngsters and practice them to be glad and profitable and to be, you realize, leaders and doers of excellent?” And that’s actually what it’s, is start with the tip in thoughts and simply work backwards from there. And that applies to your monetary wellness and it applies to your bodily wellness. You gotta begin on the finish and work backwards.

Katie: Completely. And yeah, bearing on that concept of, sort of, that long-term pondering and likewise inversion and determining easy methods to clear up issues as a long-term equation. Superb recommendation, and particularly on the subject of funds as a result of such as you talked about, it’s arduous to have these issues develop shortly in a single day. However over time, it may be actually astounding what can occur. In a way, the youthful we begin engaged on these items and train our youngsters about these items, the extra time freedom and the extra all of these items compound later in life. I do know…I discussed I’ll put your web site within the present notes for folks to search out you in the event that they wanna get in contact. However are you able to additionally simply tell us anyplace they will discover you on-line or one of the best ways to attach?

Michael: Yeah, sounds good. So our firm is Capital Wealth Advisors in Lehi, Utah. There’s for some motive a few different Capital Wealth Advisors, however that’s not us. So one of the best factor you could possibly do is when you wanna get in contact and when you received some questions, I’m more than pleased to level you in the fitting path and assist out, so our web site is capitalwealth.com, capitalwealth.com or you’ll be able to attain out to me on LinkedIn, Michael Stevens, Capital Wealth Advisors. And if anybody would love, you’re welcome to simply give our workplace a name, 801-210-2800. And I recognize you placing all that within the notes. We have now the nicest employees on the earth. So, if it is a daunting factor for you, when you’re new, simply getting began and also you want some good recommendation, you’re gonna be greeted by the warmest, nicest folks on the earth as a result of our employees solely works with good folks as a result of they’re good folks. Give us a name. We may give you some path. Even when we don’t work collectively, we’re all the time glad to pay it ahead and begin folks out on the fitting foot.

Katie: Superb. I’ll once more put these within the present notes at wellnessmama.fm. For any of you guys listening while you’re driving or exercising, yow will discover the entire issues we’ve talked about there. And I’ll hyperlink to these books you’ve talked about as nicely. I’m excited to take a look at the “How Will You Measure Your Life?” one. I simply put it in my Amazon cart. And Michael I recognize on a private degree you serving to me be taught all of these items, and particularly your time right here at the moment and sharing with everybody else. I’m very grateful that you simply had been right here, and thanks.

Michael: Hey, it was enjoyable. And I like instructing folks and, Katie, you and your loved ones are superior. Thanks a lot for having me on.

Katie: And as I say, and it was reiterated on this episode, I mentioned this each time, thanks for listening, for sharing your most respected asset, your time, your vitality with us at the moment. We’re each so grateful that you simply had been right here, and I hope that you’ll be part of me once more on the following episode of the “Wellness Mama” podcast.

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